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Uthgard Ranged Test Summary

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This page is divided into three sections. The first section will list the equipment and players used in the testing along with any relevant stats that may have affected results. The second section lists the actual results for each test presented in table forms. The third section will consist of commentary on my part and my conclusions using sources to explain the results and comment on how the actual game mechanics should be implemented on uthgard in relation to live daoc as of 1.80 patch and prior.


Note: All calculations at this time are going to be based off of the estimated 100-141% variance range that I have found supporting information on through wyrd's/artemis's test logs as opposed to the commonly used (and even mythic grab bag) sources from the web in regard to the 100-150% theories until otherwise proven wrong.

Note: When reviewing the tables below, keep in mind that max damage to a player cannot exceed the capped amount. Max damage listings here may appear to exceed the cap but this is only for calculating the effects of resistances; for example a player with 25% resistance is hit for 600 damage but the attackers cap was 300. The player is hit for 300 (-150). If the player was hit for 350 damage, they would take 262 (-88). Uncapped max damage is listed in the tables to show the effects of higher weaonskill on the damage range. The higher damage range is what is responsible for players being able to achieve capped hits on certain types of targets, even with high resistances.

All attack logs were between 900-1100 hit samples with the exception of the cloth control test.

A BIG Thank You goes out to all testers who generously donated their time, and effort into working with me to take these logs. Without these people, this would not have been possible!

Attacker:



Level 50 lurikeen Ranger

Stats are 256 quickness, 269/278 dexterity, 196 strength

Realm rank 2




Testing subjects were level 50 , firbolg warden Holzmichel, shar mentalist Crassus and lurikeen mentalist, Erlia; Level 50 non realm rank 50 celt blademaster Rando; celt druid lueckiline, Ame level 50 celt hero, firbolg hero Tir, shar hero Shaden, and an elf nightshade, Vlarie all with 0 thrust resist (with exception of vlarie who has 3% elf racial thrust resist only).



Testing Player Crafted weapons were as follows



duskwood heavy recurve bow
16.5 dps (16.0 effective dps)
5.5 Speed
99% quality
35% bonus

All tests were done using Barbed Footed Flight Broadhead arrows (thrust damage)



Test Subject Player Crafted Armors Were as follows





Cloth

AF 51 (49 effective af)

99% quality

0% bonus



Leather

AF 102 (108 effective af)

99% quality

0% bonus



Reinforced

AF 102 (117 effective af)

99% quality

0% bonus



Scale

AF 102 (125 effective af)

99% quality

0% bonus

Uthgard Normal Shot Testing

 
Weapon Spec
Item Bonus
Realm Rank
Weaponskill
Strength
Dexterity
Target's AF buff
Target's Absorption Buff
Target's AF Total
Target's Armor Type
Observed Min Damage
Observed Max Damage

Total Hits

Total Attacks

Predicted Min Damage

Predicted Max Damage

Predicted Cap Damage

Observed Cap

Control Test (No AF buff)
12
11
2
1271
 
278
0
0
257
Cloth
412
448

0

Around 400-500 attacks total.

447

916

444

448

Control Test (AF buff)
12
11
2
1271
 
278
250
0
507
Cloth
210
355

0

0

226

464

444

448

Bow vs Cloth (AF Buff On)
39
11
2
1525
 
278
250
0
507
Cloth
329
465

0

0

495

698

494

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Bow vs Cloth (AF & ABS Buff On)
39
11
2
1525
 
278
250
10%
507
Cloth
296
419

0

0

445

628

494

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Bow vs Leather
39

11

2

1525
 

278

   
550
Leather
298 (-9) / 307 actual
421(-12) / 433 actual

0

0

410

579

494

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Bow vs Reinforced

39

11

2

1525

 

278

   

595

Reinforced

277

394

0

0

341

482

494

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Bow vs Reinforced 2

50

11

2

1853

 

337

5

 

635

Reinforced

321

453

0

0

405

571

514

518

Bow vs Scale 1

39

11

2

1493

 

269

   

635

Scale

244

345

0

0

282

398

494

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Bow vs Scale 2

39

11

2

1525

 

278

   

635

Scale

249

352

0

0

288

407

494

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Bow Weaponskills by Spec and Dexterity Amount
This is a chart I made listing ws values on uthgard so as to have a comparison with live ws values. I believe that uthgard ws values are higher per point than live values, yet uthgard bow damage seems to remain substantially lower.

Bow Weaponskills

Bow Weaponskills (excel version)




Live Server Data

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Weapon Spec
Item Bonus
Realm Rank
Weaponskill
Strength
Dexterity
Target's AF buff
Target's Absorption Buff
Target's AF Total
Target's Armor Type
Observed Min Damage
Observed Max Damage

Predicted Cap

Predicted Min Damage

Predicted Max Damage

Phar0z Test
45
11
3

1825 (value pulled from using haldars ws calculator)

 
350
0
0
635
Scale
229 with light arrows -15% damage
337 with broadhead arrows +25% damage
316 with light arrows -15% damage
465 with broadhead arrows +25% damage

344 (using -15% light damage arrows)
506 (using 25% broadhead damage arrows)

240 (using -15% light damage arrows)
354 (using +25% damage broad head arrows)

339 (using -15% light damage arrows)
499 (using +25% damage broadhead arrows )

QuaiWaldsterben Test
39
11
4
1482
 
269
0
0
595
Reinforced
365
328 without relic?
506
455 without relic?

493

332

468

Slitz Test
35
11
8

1911

Used haldars calc to simulate ranger having slightly better dex buff than hunter.

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390
Ranger indicated having 50 spec nurture buffs, will theorize stats are slightly better than hunter.

0
0
606
Studded
456
532

513

436

616

Stardoag Test
40
11
7
1901
 
373
51
 
between 595-606 AF
Reinforced
427
or 384 assuming if 10% relic bonus actually applies to bow damage
527
or 474 assuming that 10% relic bonus applies to bow damage

458

388 at 606 af

547 at 606 af

                   
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Commentary

Click the links below to view the methodology behind how the values found in the previous charts were derived.



Uthgard Normal Shot Testing

Control Test (No AF buff)

Control Test (AF Buff On)

Bow vs Cloth (AF Buff On)

Bow vs Cloth (AF & ABS Buff On)

Bow vs Leather

Bow vs Reinforced

Bow vs Reinforced 2

Bow vs Scale 1

Bow vs Scale 2




Live Server Data



The following comes from research exploring live server logs taken prior to TOA. Links to the original sources will be provided for each section.

Phar0z' Test

QuaiWaldsterben Test

Slitz' Test

Stardoag' Test



Conclusions

These conclusions are being based upon current data. As I update information,add new logs I may possible uncover new things to report or find information that may change my interpretation of the data.

It is my opinion from looking at the live logs and comparing them to uthgard data there is an indication of a significant difference between the damage potential of archers that were on the live servers. In looking at the example of the Slitz test where presumably at around 1900 weaponskill, the max damage potential for his attacks were 532 damage in the logs. Taking uthgard's testing using 1525 skill (roughly 26% less than slitz) we see a max damage potential of 394, a difference of 36 damage on the same type of armor if we consider every percentage increase in ws as a percent increase in damage. Given that the total max range of slitz's damage is unknown it is evident that there is at least "some" difference in the damage range, if not a great distance.

The best estimations that I can give are using the general purpose base damage calculation formula for which would indicate that the damage potential for archers is, and should be, much greater than what is currently implemneted on uthgard. The following is a list of the armor types studied and the differentiations , listed as a percentage, between the observed values on uthgard and the predicted
values using the general bow damage formula calculations. The observation is that there is a distinct linear pattern to damage scaling in that the higher armor factor class the target is, the less differentiation there is between the expected values for that range and the observed. What this means is that in comparison, an archer is doing less damage per shot on a 'soft' target like cloth, than to a 'hard' target such as scale or chain armor.

For results under 1525 weaponskill at 278 dexterity:

Cloth armor with only AF buff on has observed ranges of
329 - 465. Predicted ranges fall between 495 - 698, which results in a difference of about 50% in damage potential with the observed and predicted values.

Cloth armor with absorption buff and AF buff on has ranges 296 - 419 which are dramatically different when compared to the expected ranges of 445 - 628. These would require a 50% increase in damage potential to reach expected values for this type of armor/buff situation.


Leather armor ranges on uthgard from 307 - 433 on the observed data. Its predicted range of 410 - 579, requires roughly a 34% increase to fall into expected ranges.

The max range of damage for reinforced on uthgard at 1525 weaponskill is 277 - 394. The predicted damage at where it should be if it were on live server using the same weaponskill is 341 - 482, around a 22% increase.

For scale armor the difference is the least pronounced where the uthgard observed values range from 249 - 352 and the predicted come to 288 - 407 requring only a 16% increase to fall into expected ranges.



For results under 1853 weaponskill at 337 dexterity:

For reinforced The max range of damage on uthgard at 1853 weaponskill is 321 - 453 on a target with 635 AF. The predicted min and max are 405 and 571, indicating a difference of 21-22% damage between the predicted and observed.

In using the predicted values because for those, a percentage increase in weaponskill results in a similar increase in damage. Almost all of the predicted data conforms to the values found in the logs from various tests, thus adding weight to the theory that the predicted values are perhaps the nearest to the correct ones to use for bow damage calculation on uthgard.